Judging a book by its cover, judging a blogger by their avatar?

Two years blogging anniversary! And my 100th post! To mark this special occasion, I thought I would write a special post.

Whenever you come across a new blogger, their avatar may be the first impression you get. Some people use cartoon figures, some use an actual photo of themselves, others use symbols, drawings or a picture, they identify with. How important is this avatar photo?

When I started out blogging, I didn’t think it was important at all. And some of you may have been puzzled by my avatar – what exactly is it and why would anyone voluntarily choose such a, hmm, unusual photo to identify with?

Well, before I continue the discussion of avatars, let me tell the story behind the stargazer name.

It all started very randomly with me listening to Kygo’s Stargazing featuring Justin Jesso. And it occured to me to use the name stargazer. There are several interpretations of that name, all of them strangely suitable.

  • To me stargazing is identical with traveling and exploring. Stargazing in the city environment where I live is just too difficult, so I only see the stars properly, when I go to remote locations such as the desert. Traveling is probably my biggest passion, which is one of the reason the stargazer name appeals.
  • Gazing at the stars in the more scientific way also hits home. Science, including astrophysics, is one of my favourite subjects to read about. And I love the fact that we – and everything in our universe – are made of stardust.
  • Perhaps the most important interpretation is the one reflected in the Oscar Wilde quote used on my blog: We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. This pretty much reflects my life motto: focus on the positive things and all the possibilities, rather than let yourself be dragged down by the chores and the bad news. And make sure you keep perspective in life, don’t sweat the small stuff, but keep your eyes on the things that really matter.
  • Some would also say I live with my head in the clouds (amongst the stars?) and spend more time and energy, thinking about big philosophical issues, rather than more low-practical stuff.

So all in all a rather apt name for me.

Ok, now you know the reasoning behind my name. So let’s get to the story behind my avatar photo. Without much imagination, I tried to google images of a stargazer. Strangely enough, there weren’t any people with telescopes, the vast majority of the pictures showed stargazer lilies in various shapes and forms. The idea of using a flower to represent me was rather comical. People who know me will confirm, my personality isn’t particularly flowery.

But amongst all the lilies a few exemplars of a rather distinct fish came up. A little research revealed that the stargazer fish lives on the bottom of the sea in relatively shallow water. With the eyes placed on the top of its head, in theory it can look up at the stars. It is also both poisonous and electrical… I didn’t hesitate. This would be a great avatar photo, I thought. It even has a slightly puzzled look, which I’m sure mirrors my own expression in various situations. 😁

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By now, being a more experienced blogger, some doubts have started to creep in. How much weight do other people put on the avatar photo? Nobody has told me they find my photo rather odd. I suspect it’s because book bloggers tend to be polite and considerate, or is it because you really don’t notice?

In real life, I don’t care about how people look and will always try to get to know them before forming any kind of opinion. However, since there are always so many people around, in some cases a very weird looking person might not be the first, I would start talking to. And I suspect that could be the case in the blogging community as well. With so many bloggers around, some people may choose not to talk to the weird fish.

At some point, I considered finding a new photo. But then I thought: The bloggers who do decide to talk to me, must be the kind of people who either don’t even notice the ugly surface or perhaps they do notice, but it doesn’t scare them off. And come to think of it, isn’t that exactly the kind of people I would love to hang out with?

I may still change the photo, if I find something suitable in the future. But for now, I will remain yours truly

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93 comments

  1. I have wondered about your avatar, although it made me curious rather than sceptical. Together with your explanation it makes perfect sense though, perhaps you could even link to this blog post in your about section to help new followers?

    Anyway, I perfectly approve of using more or less vaguely relevant photos as both avatars and illustrations, that’s how I illustrate all of my blog posts to avoid problems with the local copyright laws.

    • I am glad it made you curious, rather than sceptical. I wonder if book bloggers are particularly open-minded? As someone pointed out, it does look a bit creepy at first sight… Thanks, that is actually a great idea, I will definitely link to this post in my about section. You mostly use your own photos to illustrate, is that correct? I often use the free photo libraries such as Pexels (and sometimes I even buy photos), but perhaps I should start using my own more often.

      • I do, I had planned to photograph my books as a normal book blogger, but found that the local copyright laws made it difficult, so then I decided to stick to my own photos. It has become a rather interesting challenge to try to find a photo where the motive or feeling is at least vaguely relevant to the blog post, and it is a great excuse to show off some of my photos.

        • Oh no, you are not allowed to post photos of books? That seems a bit harsh (and would kill off Bookstagram and other platforms if implemented generally…). I love your photos and think it’s a great way to show them off. It must be a challenge to find something relevant for all the posts, though.

          • The copyright for the cover art belongs to the publisher and/or author, so no. Many countries have fair use laws that allow reuse in reviews, but Sweden don’t. Of course, very few publishers would complain about free promotion, so I would probably have been ok, but it seemed like too much worry.

            Finding something relevant is definitely a challenge, and quite often the connection is very weak or only understandable to me, but it is fun and the restrictions makes me more creative. I’m also a bit bothered by the way bookstagram promotes bragging about owning luxury editions, physical ARCs etc. so I don’t really mind not being able to contribute to it. Although I do like to look at photos of beautiful books, so it may be more a question of sour grapes than of a principled stance…

          • Ah, I see. Publishers would probably be keen on the free promotion, but I do understand your concerns. And as you said, it’s positive, because it gives you the opportunity to show us your photos. I’ve never used Bookstagram and I found out, when starting my blog, that I simply can’t produce these gorgeous still-life photos, which many bookstagrammers manage. So I am not contributing either and don’t even have an Instagram account. But like you, I enjoy looking at beautiful books.

        • I did a lot of work on this copyright issue when I started blogging. In reality, I think publishers are happy for you to use images of their pics, but the copyright law is complex (and what does it mean when your books aren’t published in your own country, or when your post is read in a county with different laws?) I wrote to publishers at the time and got some responses – some saying you can use all images, some you can use them with acknowledgement – but eventually, I came to the conclusion that in Australia a thumbnail image didn’t contravene our laws, so that’s what I do.

    • Thanks Nicki! πŸ˜€ Probably, I should have talked about the story behind the weird fish a bit sooner, but as you say, now you know.πŸ™‚

    • Thanks so much! πŸ˜€ Haha, no perhaps I won’t change it, I’ve become quite fond of it by now!

  2. What a fascinating post. Yes, I was of course intrigued by your avatar. I suspect many of us choose ours without really knowing what we’re doing – I certainly did. Living in France at that time, almond flowers were a true harbinger of spring and I loved them. That was all. But the question you don’t address is why you blog. For me, it was a way of keeping in touch with old friends when we moved to France. I never envisaged an audience beyond that. Your motivation must have been quite different. Blogging turns out to be a wonderful way to make connections doesn’t it? And … don’t change your avatar!

    • Yes, you are right about choosing the avatar early on, when most of us don’t have a clue about blogging. But still, your almond flowers are probably a much better choice than my fish… Aha, the story about why I blog. Originally, it was because I love to write. Also, I hoped to improve my written English – even if managing to express my opinion, I don’t write nearly as well in English as I do in my native language. After I started blogging, I realised I enjoyed the interaction part just as much as the actual writing, so that has become an important part of the motivation. Thanks Margaret, I probably won’t change the avatar.

      • Well, I had no idea that English wasn’t your first language. Wow! I’m looking forward to hearing my latest grandchild as she grows up. She’ll have equal exposure to Catalan, English and Spanish. Now that’ll be interesting.

        • I am glad to hear that, perhaps my blogging project has paid off after all. 😊 Yes, growing up with multiple languages is such a great gift and I guess Spanish and English are still some of the most useful languages in the world. Lucky her!

    • Probably, you are in the minority, if you don’t pay any attention at all. But I think it’s positive – you definitely don’t judge by the cover!

  3. Please don’t change your avatar photo – it is distinctive and individual. It made me curious to see what your blog was about.

    • It certainly is distinctive and I am starting to think, it may be too late to change it. By now, it has really become part of my blogging identity. I’m glad it made you curious rather than scared you away. πŸ™‚

    • Thanks Nathan! πŸ˜€ And good luck with your blog, I hope you’ll also make it to post number 100!

  4. Happy blogiversary and thank you for telling us the wonderful idea behind your Stargazer name and avatar. I have wondered too about the ugly fish but it has grown on me. Now when I would see it anywhere else, I’d still think of your blog.

    • Thanks so much Inge! πŸ˜€ It was a story I’ve been wanting to tell for a while, especially since I’m sure many people have wondered about the avatar. Hahaha, it has grown on me as well, to the extent I might miss it, if I decide to replace it one day. Whether I like it or not, it really has become part of my blogging identity.

      • I feel exactly the same about my avatar. I have it since I started on Facebook and use the same one on every platform.. I’m sure some people don’t even know how I look like any more,.. which is fine by me :-).

        • It’s nice you use it on every platform – it really has become your online identity. I always imagine you look somewhat similar to your avatar in real life, but of course that might be completely wrong. In any case, I like it!

          • Hihi thank you! I don’t know if I really look like that avatar but I do have a tattoo of wings on my back :-). Nobody ever associates me with a tattoo so that’s always fun when they discover that.

          • Wings on the back! I like that. In the hope of flying? 😊 I wouldn’t have guessed you had a tattoo, but I am not surprised either. I would always be afraid of getting anything so permanent in case I should regret later.

          • I thought about it for years before going through with it when I was nearly 30 so it’s definitely not a youthful sin and it’s so me (fairy that I am πŸ˜‹) that it just fits me. It was Kelly Osbourne’s pink tattoo of wings that formed the inspiration, only the tattoo artist didn’t want to do it in pink. The only thing I regret is not being able to see it myself, but I do get good reactions from those who do ☺️

          • Wings seem like a motive you won’t get tired of. I just googled Kelly Osbourne’s tattoo. It looks really nice, but of course she has to wear a dress with a low-cut back to show it off. I agree with your tattoo artist, that pink might not be the best colour. It really depends on which colours you normally wear.

          • It only shows on vacation but that is exactly what I’m aiming for, not everyone at work has to know, it’s an advantage that I can cover it up :-). I loooove pink but sometimes it’s good that someone puts a lid on it πŸ˜‰

          • It’s nice to have the possibility of covering it up, so you don’t show it all the time. Haha, I think pink look nice on other people, but can’t wear it myself. It doesn’t suit my colours or my personality! 😁

    • Haha, I’m very glad to hear that! 😁 And thanks so much, amazing how time flies, when you are having fun. Can’t believe I’ve been blogging for two years already.

  5. Your picture is unique. I say stick with it! I haven’t changed my picture since I started blogging because I want it to be consistent since I also have written novels and am always working at marketing them.

    • Yes, I agree about that, it certainly is unique. Yours is quite unique as well. So at least people are less likely to forget us.😁 Ah really, that is interesting. What kind of novels do you write? A specific genre? It certainly makes sense to be consistent especially if you want to build an identity with marketing in mind.

  6. Happy blogiversary, what a great way to celebrate it! I think your name drew me in first, I love the connotations of stargazer πŸ™‚ And to be honest, the fish was just a bonus, I think it’s such a fun and unique avatar, definitely rare to see!

    • Thank you! πŸ˜€ Yes, I’ve thought about writing a post like this for a while and found my two-year anniversary the perfect occasion. Glad you like the name stargazer as well, I really thought it was such a perfect name. You are right about the avatar being unique. Perhaps, it really is too late to change it now, it has somehow become part of my blogging identity #weirdfish. πŸ˜†

  7. I LOVE this post πŸ™‚ Also, when I first saw your avatar, I found the fish to be a little creepy but in a quirky way (if that made any sense) but the name Stargazer really appealed to me. Happy Blogiversary x

    • Awww, I am so glad to hear that. Yes, it is kinda creepy, but I am glad it didn’t scare you off. Thanks so much! πŸ˜€

  8. Happy blogoversary! I always found your fish avatar cute (which probably says more about me than you ;)) and the stargazer name is just lovely!

    • Thanks so much! Haha, you are certainly the first person who has mentioned cute in connection with my avatar, but I’m glad there is at least one person out there! 😁 Yes, I like the stargazer name as well, that was a good choice – perhaps more so than the avatar, although I’ve become really fond of that fish!

    • I am sure a lot of people have been wondering, but only a very few have actually asked! Happy that it didn’t stop you reading my posts! 😊

  9. Happy blogiversary! Stargazer sounds like a wonderfully apt name!
    I remember reading an explanation for your avatar somewhere else on your blog. It does add a sense of uniqueness and I hope it stays! I can’t say I wasn’t intrigued at all but I don’t judge anyone based on their avatars.
    My avatar used to be bookshelf until few started mistaking me for a boy πŸ˜‚, so I changed it to the faceless girl (that I drew, to avoid copyright problems).
    Thank you for sharing!

    • Thank you! πŸ˜€ Amazing how time flies, I can’t believe it has been two years already. Yes, you are absolutely right, if you look closely, you can actually find the explanation about the fish in the comments on my “About” page. But I guess most people don’t see that. I am glad you don’t judge based on the avatar, I have enjoyed talking to you and pleased I discovered your blog. Of course! I should have guessed that you created your own avatar picture. It is a very good one, the faceless feature is intriguing and memorable!

  10. Happy blogging anniversary! Thank you for the post and your explanation. I did not know that the picture shows a fish, but i have noticed it as something unique. I thought it is a photo of a stone relief on a temple.

    • Thanks a lot! πŸ˜€ Yes, I see what you mean about a stone relief. I wonder, if I should have let people try to guess what it was before telling the story? There seems to be several different interpretations. But now all is revealed. πŸ˜‰

  11. Two years and 100 posts, wow and congratulations! I didn’t realise it was a fish, I thought it was a stone gargoyle , but I’ve always enjoyed its originality and now have enjoyed the explanation, thanks!

    • Thanks so much! πŸ˜€ Yes, I guess it’s difficult to see it’s a fish. Perhaps, I shouldn’t have revealed that and people could keep guessing or just believe what they found most likely. I am glad you find it original!

  12. That’s a pretty interesting story behind your name and avatar! I have just gone by what will be my ‘author name’ when I’m published (as the reason I started a blog and social media in the first place was to make friends with book lovers who might in the future be interested in what I write) and I used Microsoft Paint to colour in a photo, for no particular reason.

    • I am glad you found it interesting! Probably, I should have told this story a bit earlier in my blogging career. Oh, you are a writer? I can’t wait to see your name on your own publication. 😊 May I ask what you are writing? (I mean, novels, poetry, short stories, etc.) I like your avatar a lot, it’s quite distinct without being as obscure as mine. πŸ˜‰

      • Yes I’m a writer but not published yet πŸ˜€ I have just finished writing my thriller and starting to go through the process of finding an agent, and if I don’t then I will self-publish. Thanks for your interest and for liking my avatar! I have had the same one since I got started but I can’t be bothered to change it.

        • Good luck with it all! Exciting times! I am very impressed with you writing a book, it seems like such a large project and requires a lot of self-discipline. Thrillers seem to be popular these days, so hopefully you’ll get a chance to have it published. In any case, it seems a lot of writers are self-publishing, so that is certainly an option as well.

  13. What a perfect post for your two-year anniversary and the 100th post, StargazerπŸ’œ Big congratulations!

    Yes, the first time I saw your avatar, I found it odd. But it was what you said in your posts that formed my opinion of you. After a while, your avatar just signaled it was you and I’d want to read your comment on my post or your latest blog post. I’m impressed that you have such logic behind your selection.

    I chose mine about ten years ago. It makes me feel like I’m looking at autumn, the season when I was born, with a color intensity that fits my mood. I never thought I’d still be with it after all these years but I still see it and feel what I felt the first time I laid eyes on it. Not an impressive story but it’s mine.

    • Thanks Jonetta, if feels good to reach this little milestone. And I am so glad you bothered to look at my posts before forming an opinion. In an ideal world everyone would do that. But because we are all so busy, I guess there might be bloggers who take one look at my avatar and think noooo way! πŸ˜† Which is of course fine. You certainly have a very distinct avatar as well, but I just realised, I never bothered to look at it properly. Instead of autumn, I thought of a palm tree in an exotic location, probably because of the intense blue colour. But now I look, it is clearly no palm tree at all. Don’t know what I was thinking… πŸ™„. It makes perfect sense to have an autumn photo, which fits your mood and even matches the season of your birthday. That is a nice story as well.

  14. Happy Blogiversary and 100th post! Hmm, I don’t think I pay much attention to avatars, but on the whole I prefer images that people have chosen to photos of themselves – somehow those images give more of an idea of the quirkiness or otherwise of the person than a photo can. (Same goes for chosen names and real names.) Also a distinctive avatar like yours stands out in the ‘likes’ so I suspect might attract people to hover over it to find out more. My name and avatar image are wildly unimaginative because when I first used them to post an Amazon review many years ago it never occurred to me that reviewing would become a thing I’d do regularly. But they’ve become me now, or I’ve become them – not sure which…

    • Thanks FF! πŸ˜€ FictionFan is the perfect name for you isn’t it? And I always think of Tommy and Tuppence whenever I see your avatar. Is it actually one of them in the photo? I agree with you about a chosen name and image saying more about the personality of the blogger than just their own name and photo. It really is strange though, how you start to identify with your blogging alias. I have a distinct feeling, that I am stuck with that fish for the rest of my blogging career – whether I like it or not!

        • Aww, so that is Tuppence. She does look sweet. Slightly unfair too Tommy though, that she gets all the attention! πŸ˜‰

  15. Congratulations Stargazer and happy blogversary! That’s a great record too – 100 posts in 2 years. I hope you don’t change your avatar. I like it and always have. I always knew there was a story behind it, and behind your name – even without knowing the story it gave you a certain quality, a thoughtful quirkiness. I started with a cornish hedge (actually a stone wall) as my avatar and changed it to a photo of me. Most unlike me to show my face, I do not like to be in photographs. No idea why I did that now! And in pre-blogging days I had an online name which I loved and carried so much of me within it but instead, on the blog, I’m just plain old me! πŸ˜‚

    Wishing you many more successful blogging years 🀩🌟

    • Thanks so much, Sandra! πŸ˜€ Aww, I am glad you liked the avatar from the beginning, most people probably need time to get used to it. I do think a photo of the blogger makes you feel you know the blogger a little bit, because you know what they look like. But that wasn’t really an option for me, since I decided to blog anonymously. Partly because, like you, I really don’t like photos of myself and also I didn’t want my blog to interfere with my professional life (not that I write anything controversial on my blog, but still..). On the other hand, it’s fun to see what people choose as their avatar image / symbol and you can express some of your personality through that as well. So I guess there are pros and cons about both portrait photos and chosen images. I wonder why you didn’t use your old online name, when you started a blog? It sounds like you were really fond of it.

      • Yes, I understand that wish to keep your blogging life separate from other aspects of your life, Stargazer. In real life I think I come across quite differently to on the blog; I think I use it in part as an outlet for that part of me which is normally hidden. People who know me outside of the blog do read it and I often wonder what they think! As for my old name, you got me thinking. Why DID I stop using it? πŸ€” The blog chronicles a new chapter in life. That name is strongly associated with a very specific chapter which is now closed. Time for a change perhaps. Or maybe tied in with allowing another side of who I am into the world and a desire to do that openly. I’m overthinking now! I’ll get off the analyst’s couch! πŸ˜‚

        • I know some of my friends read my blog as well, but I don’t think they really see sides of me they weren’t aware of already. At least they haven’t said so. 🀨 It’s interesting though, how people may come across differently in the blogging world as opposed to real life. Haha, I am certainly not going to do any analysis, but your idea of a change / new start sounds like a reasonable explanation for your new avatar and online name. 😊

  16. Happy Blogiversary! I find your site name and avatar very interesting. It is certainly memorable and makes you stand out from the crowd!

    • Thanks Diana! Yup, you are right about the avatar standing out from the crowd. So this might be a case of a bad impression being better than no impression at all! πŸ˜‰πŸ˜

  17. Happy Blogiversary! I wondered about the avatar. I figured there was a story behind it. I did not tie it in to the Oscar Wide quote. Now I know. πŸ™‚

    Until January 20, I used an electrical resistor as my avatar on another site, then switched to a pic of my cat. One guy went off about how 95% of people who use pics of their animals as avatars are right-wing supporters of the person who shall remain nameless. Yeah, I withhold judgment on avatars in general unless there’s some obvious reason.

    • Thanks so much! 😊 Yes, I think it is very difficult to connect my avatar to anything at all, which is why I wrote this post.

      I enjoy hearing about other people’s avatars and why they chose them as well. Why an electrical resistor? It’s nice to use photos of your animals, I think. Sounds very unrealistic that you can link it to any kind of political views though.

      • Resistance is an electrical property, of course. It was also a political statement on my part with respect to the people who were in power until January 20 in my country.

        Overall, I much prefer the pics of my grumpy old cat, who is quite apolitical.

        • Ah I see. This is one of these avatars, which makes a lot of sense, but most people probably need to have it explained. Yeah, I like the cat as well (grumpy or not…). 😁

  18. Okay, so I am old and didn’t really know what it was. I pay more attention to the name of the blog than the avatar. I did enjoy reading your post about how it all came about though.

    • I am glad you enjoyed the post, Carla. To me it makes a lot of sense to pay attention to the name of the blog, rather than the avatar, but I think most people can’t help looking at the avatar, because you see that every time, the blogger posts a comment.

  19. OOOO!! FInally! THE post I’ve been waiting for! HAhaha I never knew it was called avatar…I always refer to it as profile pic OMG Embarrasing LOL My first impression of you based on your avatar was – How interesting and unique! And nope it didn’t scare me off for sure πŸ˜‰ And HAPPY BLOGIVERSARY, my friend! And Wowwww 100 posts! CONGRATULATIONS! πŸ™‚ Here’s to more! πŸ™‚

    • I know!! I remember you asking about my avatar, so this post is especially for you!πŸ˜€ And of course, you can call it a profile photo, I am sure everyone knows what you mean. Thanks so much Jee and how lucky it didn’t scare you away, then we might never have started talking.😟

        • Aww, you are too nice! πŸ€— I am so glad to have discovered your blog as well! Can’t remember how, but I think I first saw you, because you were commenting on Jennifer’s blog (jennifertarheelreader).

  20. I love this post, Stargazer. I’ve always wondered, especially about the fish. I love that it has eyes on the top of its head to gaze up from the shallow water and its name. That’s perfect! I think I just figured you liked fish/sea life, but then also there must be more of a story to it!

    • Thanks Jennifer, I enjoyed writing this post! The fish really is perfect with the eyes on top of the head. Not sure, it can actually see the stars, though. 😊 You are correct, that I like marine life, but that wasn’t why I chose it.

  21. Thanks for sharing, and great idea of post. The name of my blog came to me one day when I was reflecting about the importance of words for me, and I wanted to play with words, so Words And Peace came to me naturally, as reference to the Russian classic.
    My logo is actually connected to my virtual book tours company, France Book Tours. I won the main prize one year at the Bout of Books, which was Shirley offering to do logos and banners for free. That’s where I got the FBT, with the Eiffel Tower standing for the F. So cleverly done, I think

    • I think both your name and avatar is above average when it comes to having thought it through properly. I remember being surprised that you live in the US, because your avatar signals France so strongly. But now I understand it relates to your company. And I agree that Shirley did a great job coming up with the logo. A play on words referencing a Russian classic is very apt for a book blogger. 😊

  22. I must say that I have always wondered about your avatar. I do find it a bit ugly, and have wondered why on earth, what has this to do with books, but now I know! It certainly hasn’t put me off, but I’m not sure it truly conveys who you are because few people would know that fish. I always thought it was some sort of alien!!

    My avatar relates to my name, as it is a gum blossom. I’ve had a few avatars over time, one being a detail of a scribbly gum which seemed appropriate for a litblogger, but it was a bit nothing to look at in the tiny avatar pic. I like my bright cheery gum blossom because like you I like to have a positive approach to life, a glass-is-half-full approach.

    Anyhow, congrats on two years, and don’t rush to change your avatar. It’s a great story. I point to my origin post in my About page, so later readers who are interested can find out why I started and where my name comes from.

    • Haha, yes I’m afraid it’s quite ugly and perhaps it wasn’t the best choice. But on the other hand, I thought it offered a great contrast to my real life looks, which I don’t like to be judged by either. Like you, I have linked this post to my about page to explain my name and avatar. I love how you got your name: With whispering gums to woo the breeze – that is lovely. Your avatar is also a good choice: bright, cheerful and very distinct. It’s also nice that it relates to your online name.

      Thanks so much, I don’t think I will change the avatar, at least not for now. Somehow, it has become part of my online identity. 😊

      • I don’t think you should change it either . But it’s good to have a place people can go to to understand it. (That said, I should say that for me your name plus the “alien” looking avatar had made me think you were possibly a sci-fi buff!)

        • Ah well, I do like the odd sci-fi story! 😁 Normally, I read more science than science fiction, though.

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